If Im called into a meeting with no context, Ill need a beat to wrap my head around the situation and Ill probably think of more Id like to add or ask later. Overwhelming majority of time, when hr wants to talk to you, they dont want you fired not punished. Dept. The court did note, however, that not all courts agree that this kind of religious expression does in fact amount to speech on a matter of public concern. Im trying to fight that stereotype. They're annoying, but meh. How is that different than God is my Strength (Gabriel) Who is Like God? (Michael), God is my Judge (Daniel) or God has Healed (Raphael), though, does just putting it in Hebrew make it okay magically? Scanning the comments here, it looks like most of the pushback is less from people whod find it personally blasphemous and more people who would find it uncomfortable, and I dont know how representative that is. The World is Beautiful. That said, this is going to be complicated by the CDCs new guidance that people who have been vaccinated dont need to mask or distance in most situations something that wasnt the case when you sent in this letter 12 days ago. I am not quite in that same situation but my current org is looking to return to an office sometimes in the future (meaning, before we were WFH indefinitely and now management wants to go back). The word schwartzer is an associated Yiddish pejorative equivalent to the n-word. Both as a students with an unusual name and as a parent of a child with an unusual name. In a 15-year-old case from a federal appellate court in California, Tucker v. State of Cal. And Joshua and Jesse are both common names that are variants of Jesus, as well. Its not because I WANTED to do that, or because I was being lazyit was because jobs were contract and only lasted a year, or my rent kept getting raised and I couldnt afford it, etc. I wasnt trying to suggest people should make them up without regard for the person they want to call by a nickname! If I received enough of those from someone I'd probably ask them to stop sending them, and if they didn't, then I'd probably report it because I find those highly annoying. But even more common names like Michael, Daniel, Elijah, Julia all have meanings people may not necessarily ascribe to. If they have a question about a particular gap, they can ask that candidate directly. I work in a school in the US and I had to fill out something similar. A lot of English names are ambiguous. Use formatting to your advantage to ensure your reader gets through the whole thing and remembers whats important. As someone mentioned above, people generally get a nickname whether they want one or not, and you can only hope its something innocuous. And yes, the older you get, the more long and tedious they are to complete as every employer has a different form, so you cant always cut and paste. Policies that favor the traditions of the dominate culture are inevitably going to be used against minorities, whether they are intended to or not. (Image: Anslatadams) Dear Urban Diplomat, One of my co-workers signs all her emails God Bless. I find it irritating and think its unprofessional to push ones religion at work. LW can choose to continue to wear a mask, but cant expect vaccinated people to continue to mask and social distance unless the company directs otherwise. Those are relevant differences though, not gotchas. Which I swear we had a letter about, in which everyone roundly condemned the process. Its the 21st century. 7 Time Off Request Emails. Sure, youre free to form whatever positive or negative opinions in your own mind but hopefully you wont go as far as insisting on altering their names against their wishes. The people in question werent referring to anything more than, I dont see anything on the application that raises a concern, they were not submitting anything to anyone. And, to be fair, sometimes they think that whoever put together the roster was at fault. Lots of Chinese students in the UK give themselves common British names as a nickname, and they quite often pick what wed consider quite old fashioned or formal ones think Charles, Margaret, etc. If its that brief, it can be an email or a call. Too many companies took an attitude ranging from one that that amounted to if you die, you die, not our problem to well do the minimum required to avoid a potential lawsuit, but we are not interested in making you feel safe or comfortable, and a relationship cant recover from that degree of hostility and disrespect. Here are best wishes, messages, images and greetings you can send your loved ones to mark this holy day. Please recall that a lot of European countries were not founded on the principle of everyone is welcome, melting pot etc, but have specific cultures that they are the only guardians of. Religious emails at work.: If it was excessive, I'd probably report it.. not because of the religious nature necessarily (although that's not work appropriate at all), but because chain emails are a common way to spread viruses, and really shouldn't be circulating through workplace email accounts. Generally they were given as tools for the child to always remember whatever lesson the name was teaching, not necessarily to make a point to the larger world (though given the current American mode of Evangelical Christianity, who seem the most likely to give these names, that may no longer be the case). can make some false claim that you abused a child, have you arrested for it, then ruin your life because of their personal vendetta against you? Pre-pandemic it was well grab a cuppa coffee. The systems should be able to handle the character, although the person entering it may not immediately know how. JN GNARR: It was a violation of human rights to force people to abandon their names and take up another name just because they were applying for citizenship. Agree its a know your position and audience thing, Ohh, I like that! That is different from Allah or Jehovah or Elohim.. In Response to Re: WWYD? Years ago, I actually worked with a guy named Nixon. All rights reserved. ), I dont have a problem calling other people Mom in general, but I didnt like her in particular enough to want to call her Mom :P. Thats just as rude as not pronouncing an Indian coworkers name because its too hard to say. Grace Kay. So its likely they might gk by that bi feel like its only going to be an extremely small segment of society to whom the whole name applies, #2) ugh for the HR person who doesnt understand the weight of their request to talk. The judge never ruled on plaintiffs motion. I have had a few people assume my real name was the longer version, and just make offhand comments saying such, but nothing problematic. Its not a thing that takes up any real amount of energy or head space. I gather someone knew somebody whose given name was something like that. You may have dodged a bullet. WebAn envelope. I think the Christian examples are calling to mind stereotypes of aggressively evangelical people with a bunch of other implied baggage in tow (that this fictional person would be conservative, bigoted, difficult, etc), and people are reacting to that who normally wouldnt have a problem being chill and respectful of someones name and/or religious practices. After all, the First Amendment is one of the bedrock principles of our society. theres no agenda) to make it work. Surprise meeting topics means Im not prepared to speak specifically about anything in particular and Im unlikely to have the most useful information already located, which leads to me being distracted during the meeting as I try to pull that data together. The weirdest one I can remember (apart from the one by the toxic entrepreneur) was Cheesecake Sideboard. Ive had jobs in 3 companies ~24 years of work experience, and I will probably retire with current company in 10-15 years or so. All those given names ending in i! I would be willing to bet that even the parents will develop some sort of nickname for them. most people unless they volunteer with children/ vulnerable people or work in a caring profession wont ever need one. A source of amusement to everyone else and an eye opener for me as to this strange custom, but after a number of years Ive got used to a wide variety of names being used for various people (myself included), none of which are actually peoples real names. By formal, I mean including a greeting, an introduction, a polite message, and a full signature at the bottom. Re #2: Years ago I got some great advice when I took a Recruiting Manager role that also had made me the HR Emergency Backup Manager. I would find it a bit annoying, butwould justdelete them. Allowing an employee to sign off on emails with a clearly religious message amounts to something more than allowing a cross on a necklace but it is surely something less than allowing a banner. I've asked to be excluded from these emails at work and I now get more of them. 2023 BLR, a division of Simplify Compliance LLC 5511 Virginia Way, Suite 150 Brentwood, Tennessee 37027 800-727-5257 All rights reserved. I love names in all their forms, long short, impossible to pronounce. Slate is published by The Slate But if a kid were born tomorrow and a parent wanted to name them that, theyd need to smush the words together, or hyphenate and have it be partially first name partially middle name. Because at some point it can be argued that the decision is doing harm to the child? Perils of Sending Political Emails at Work - HR Daily Advisor Concentrate on this sentence. Her only complaint about her name has always been that she could never get those personalized keychains or Coke bottles. Its possible that whoever set up this application was copying from one of those fields without knowing that it would be overkill. Wasnt Constable Visit nicknamed Washpot after his favorite religious quote, too? Conflict resolution in the workplace can be broken down into steps to simplify the process. So, when a public employee signs her communications with a religious statement, is she exercising her rights to free speech and freedom of religious expression, which the governmental employer must permit? LW#5: If youre in the U.S., Im not so sure Id use not masking and social distancing properly as the reason I left a job at this stage of the pandemic. The second one is more important: before you take any adverse action with regard to such an employee, consult with your units attorney. Or would it be more apparent that its correct if the actually review the app & resume? Say Hello (and Goodbye) Emails are the online equivalent of letters, so a genial hello (and goodbye) is just good manners. Finding a Summer Camp for My Autistic Daughter Requires Trust Im keeping my own mask on for now even though Im vaccinated. Should I report her to HR? Except that if the holder uses the full name then its effectively one name just the same as if they were called Mary Jane or Mark Antony, and chose to use the full name. Your email address will not be published. Lord is a word that directly refers to God. Then it would do another step where it wanted you to fill in any gaps. In contrast Ive heard of people going through multiple rounds of interviews for UK-based jobs with US companies! If I asked you what the fifth line of America The Beautiful was, and you said, according to genius, that line is America, America, God shed his grace on thee, that would also not be a statement of belief on your part. Or maybe not! Not only an understandable phrase, but a statement of belief. One of the most important things societies strive to teach children with all the tools at their disposal is how to behave in a socially/morally/ethically acceptable way. the stress will never go away. Begin by evaluating the needs of your message and choose the best medium. Being part of a pluralist society means dealing with your own discomfort about how other people express faith in their life. While unusual name discrimination might not necessarily track with those categories (it often does), there is no reason to lose yourself a good potential candidate because you see a weird name and wonder if its fake. Long and badly structured sentences confuse the reader. HR keeps sending vague, anxiety-provoking emails. If a meeting is booked in advance I assume its a more significant matter, and I want to know the topic and what kind of preparation I need to make before I go into that meeting. Im not sure how else to understand why a person would be so resistant to saying someone elses name in this scenario unless they regard saying the name as a statement about their own beliefs. This line of thinking seems quite muddled to me, as does thinking of names like the one in the letter as offensive. I was just looking at a list of banned names around the world. She told him what her name was, even spelled it for him, but he insisted she was wrong and her name was Karen. I had always gone by my full name, so of course I wasnt sure what she was suggesting. I also needed a Protection of Vulnerable Groups disclosure form Id expect the two to go together. WebA. So no. I work in the UK in education. I live in a EU country and I am happy it is a country where babies cant be named anything like Nutella or Casino. And so I did what I never thought I would do and began trying to find a new job almost immediately after starting one. This is another good argument for masking names on applications! It indicates the ability to send an email. Prudie and Furukawa discuss a letter writer whos wondering how to handle resenting his wife for moving them to a new town for her career, and what to do about a co-worker who frequently sends religion-themed emails around the office. Professional forms get filled out J. If a person is comfortable with having that as their name and it forms a part of their identity, other peoples opinions are irrelevant. OP here I attempted the can you give me a run down strategy and she literally responded no need, were just going to chat. I didnt know Native American names could be fluid (Im Australian), thats so interesting! Yeah I dont agree with just saying we need to meet at this time and date (With some exceptions since it is HR). I often need to call snap meetings because our office setup is open space, and we do not need an audience. Do you have the capital to point that out to her? I beg to differ with the last sentence conclusion. You just KNOW the other kids called her Note Spelling.. OP2, thats rough! An illustrative case is Draper v. Logan County Public Library, 403 F. Supp. Dear Urban Diplomat: should I report my colleagues religious email signatures to HR? If you are a member of a recognised minority (these people have been living in the country for hundreds of years), different rules apply. No, its always see how things are going or to pick your brain. I agree. "The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you." How about out of respect for the person you are speaking with, whose name it is and who deserves basic courtesy? If you have any authority, please dont do this! That seems so odd to metell me everything youve ever done with your time in case it turns out some of that time was spent in prison is a very roundabout way to find that out and seems easy to spin the situation in the answer. Yeesh. His boss was going to try to swap his parking spot with someone that parked on premises that didnt mind parking next door w/ that pass. Its weird. However you can say the way they handled COVID safety in the past led you to look to leave. Id like to add that having rules for names doesnt necessarily mean that theres a pre-approved list. At the end of the day, I agree with Allison the name will eventually feel like just sounds. Giving information about a meeting in advance is really useful. When I pressed, I discovered that she thought that Timothy was a nickname for Thomas (names changed but same gist). I could *invent* a plausible story, which Im pretty sure no one could prove false during routine background checking, but I just dont have documentary evidence, nor memories about employment dates, for some chunks. But a flat out declaration of Christian faith, in my native tongue, absolutely not. Luna used to be viewed as an unusual or crunchy name until Harry Potter made it wildly popular (at least in USA and UK). I still got the job. I learned and have long stopped finding it odd. Yes Im guessing its just for jobs that involve some sort of safeguarding or security in book publishing, in my experience, no one does any sort of background check where theyd dig into your full employment history. A blessing is coming to you in form of a new job, a house, marriage or financially. It never hurts to add Have a good weekend! to a friendly Friday afternoon message. Came here to say this. Thats who she is. In certain time periods Catholic priests apparently got a lot of say. However, if you need to say you worked part time while in high school in 1965, they can figure it out. Id like to push back on the trivial. No one summons me to meetings (although I do prioritize some meetings over others). It annoys the crap out of me, but I think it would really REALLY hurt her feelings if I said anything, so I delete and and just mutter about it to myself. And my name technically means Christ is King, sooooooo. Anyway whenever I suggest her name to expectant moms looking for suggestions, Im told its cultural appropriation and that Americans shouldnt use it. I cant think of any name thats actually really like the Hebrew equivalent of the n word that is also a last name. And its their name. If you can't access your feeds, please contact customer support. I know in my case we lived for a while (and got mail there) with friends who 1) no longer live there and 2) the post office has realigned the numbering system in that area. I actually gave myself an English name as a teenager which felt awkward then a white friend of mine said You make the effort of pronouncing our names so why shouldnt we learn to pronounce yours? That was a light bulb moment and I decided fuck it, this is my name and Im going with it; any discomfort felt by another person is their own issue. Thats not to say your outrage over the situation isnt warranted. These links will only work if you're on the device you listen to podcasts on. Then Id practice saying your statements out loud with friends on Zoom until you can say them relatively calmly. But its really not a big deal to say a few extra syllables to say someones name. (Molly? So, firing the employee for wearing the cross in violation of the ban was a First Amendment free speech violation. At 90, he says religion can help cut crime. I might be concerned about the feelings of people who really arent concerned at all! In Canada we also call it Secondary School, and suspect LW may be, given the reference to Secondary School, OP also said, I dont mind most of this being asked at interview which also sounds like a term used in the UK. Why does the *government* get to draw a line around what you name your baby? Whos right? I generally agree that kids shouldnt be given goofy names just because, but I do have to wonder about cultural names getting erased due to government censorship. I have preschool children and have since have since relieved myself of the burden of Facebook moms groups but names were always a hot topic. And I very much doubt Id have the occasion of using her first name even if I had the honor of meeting her someday. This is all extremely upsetting to me and talking about it makes me more emotional than Id like to be during a job interview. I feel these are things that will create bias against me in my application. And asking to contact references before youve even been invited to interview no. Does God come first in your life? Someone getting hired at a securities firm right out of college would have to provide dates/explanations going back to middle school. Business & Legal Resources, Senior Editor, Your email address will not be published. I was an adult before I realized that monolingual English speakers thought it was a first name-middle name combo. hbspt.cta._relativeUrls=true;hbspt.cta.load(487463, '346ca8f3-3592-4fcc-93df-e3acc46f22e0', {"useNewLoader":"true","region":"na1"}); Topics: I wouldnt say anything unless it really bothers you. which is why gods invented the /s denoter, and Name Game forgot to use it. First, person to get fried was the lady in HR because she didn't take my compliant serious and didn't talk to the two people like I requested. Im not saying that its inconceivable there are people who feel that way I did indeed notice I was replying to one, for starters, and I have noticed there are a handful of others here who feel the same way. OceanGate Expeditions, the owner of the missing submersible, is a privately owned company headquartered in Everett, Wash., that, since I went to junior high with a girl named Cherie. https://abcnews.go.com/US/college-professor-demands-student-change-make-sound-english/story?id=71370111. For writer 1, its an interesting question. Honestly OP, with a few exceptions, I feel like calling meetings without giving people at LEAST a heads-up about the subject, if not an actual agenda, is terrible practice no matter what their position. #4: Nah. If I hear someone address him as Nickname, Im like, Whos Nickname?. I was young and she was older and a person I had to keep happy at my job, so I just let it go. May it direct the employee to stop? My three-year-old has started calling her dad by his nickname, because thats what she always hears me call him. Titles and honorifics are not allowed as first names including alternate spelling. There is a really long and ugly history of oppressed groups being told to change their names, or being forcibly renamed, by their oppressors. But the employee had not appealed the ban on the signature line, so it stood. Or anyone who speaks Yoruba? Ikea is banned in Sweden and Australia and other corporate names are banned lots of places. Ask someone else to review important emails, especially those going to a lot of people. My point? I dont know why this comment is generating so much more detective work than all the others that dont write out bad words lol. Usually its just the two of us together, so when Im talking its pretty obvious who Im talking to! Bullet points and numbered lists help eliminate extraneous words. Larry, that Jesus is the Greek version of Joshua so therefore at home Jesus was likely called Yeshua (which we anglicize to Joshua) by his Hebrew speaking family/community. Except that they arent actually making a declarative statement. Its the opposite. I understand not allowing obscenities, racial slurs, etc. It always felt awkward. I think youre absolutely right. So whats the difference between that and Christ is King? So, firing the employee for wearing the cross in violation of the ban was a First Amendment free speech violation. To be fair, thats not requested at the outset (I assume, at least, since Im frequently chasing it down), but its definitely common practice in some highly regulated industries. For example, when I moved to where I live now, a friend was introduced to me as Barry. I dont have even full names or contact info for a lot of those supervisors because I was a teenager / young adult and it was the kind of thing where I never knew I needed to save that info until later when I had professional white collar jobs. Context is key here. Jokes a little on us; we failed to consider pronunciation in Spanish and kid is at a Spanish immersion school, and a typical Spanish pronunciation is a bit less than thrilling ;). It is true, the court said, that the governmental employer must be accorded some breathing space to regulate in this difficult context and the employee must accept that he does not retain the full extent of free exercise rights that he would enjoy as a private citizen. Nevertheless, in this case, the court said, there was no reasonable possibility that allowing crosses on necklaces could be perceived as the county establishing or endorsing the librarians religion. I stand corrected! But I only ever saw and heard the 3-syllable shortened version, and knew him for years before I heard his full name. It also shows me quickly that here is an applicant who cares about safety, doesnt go in for conspiracy theories (I actually had one who refused to enter any building where vaccinated people are.that CV went in the shredder) and actually cares about their coworkers. An Invitation to Prayer: Can Religious Gatherings at Work My mom was a maternity nurse in the 1980s and the nurses once had to talk a couple out of naming their daughter Molson Golden, which, yes, was apparently what they were drinking when they met. Religious Expression in the DOL Workplace - U.S. Five years later they hear her classmates calling her Ambergur. I think its ok if some emotion leaks in especially if you pick statements that show a passion for something new. Totally agree. By the time I met him, everyone knew him as J. I did explain to him that many many Spanish-speaking people are in fact named Jesus, its just not pronounced the same way as in English. She switched to Fiona. (that was before I changed the spelling of my own name, which is how the names that caused you problems bit came up; yeah, she had the worst). With respect to the religious freedom issues, the court said that while in the right circumstances a governmental unit might prohibit religious expression by employees to avoid the appearance of endorsing a religion, in this case it could not. And Tiffany is a name you wont see in historical fiction because its perceived as too modern, but it has some really interesting medieval origins. I have sympathy for Dolly, my name is more usually a nick name and the number of times Ive had forms thrust back at me because my full legal name was required. Perfectly common name in English, but it sounded really stupid in Korean. In fact, evaluating your compliance strategy as []. As in all things there is a balance. Letter carriers already get Sundays off, questioner. When an advisor suggested that she shorten it to something like Mary, she said she loved her name. We actually all love our first names so it worked out. And whats considered white has been in flux even in the last century. It may incidentally catch the people who want to call their child Midnight Storm or Pippin Galadriel Moonchild but its far more likely that people using names which arent familiar to members of the mainstream (white) culture will have their choices questioned or denied, because the decision of whether a name is acceptable or not is being made by a human and that human statistically more likely to be a member of the predominant local culture. OP #2 here! Others (most) were not Yoruba and had never participated in anything like this so gave names from their own families, or very political names such as Lucha Continua or Nelson Mandela. Religious Mail June 19, 2023. The School of Government depends on private and public support for fulfilling its mission. Schwartz is also the German word for the colour black and entered into Yiddish that way. My friend wanted to call her daughter Nicola and because that is also a male name in some countries, she had to give her a middle name in addition that was clearly female. Doubly so when , if someone bithered to verify any of it, they would see that my high school is now elementary only, some of my employers are not in North America and I dont think I can remember every supervisors names, never mind that half are no longerin business. People usually just want some reassurance that they are not in trouble (HR gets a bad rap that way) and Ill reassure them to the extent Im able to do so. Im fully a native Hebrew speaker so I promise yall that Im not mistaken, its the other comments that are conflating the 2 languages for some reason. But, you know, as long as the rent is paid on time, I dont really care! Back in 1726 a lot of people probably thought the name Vanessa was weird and stupid when Jonathan Swift made it up, and now its a common and totally unobjectionable girls name. Yeah, thats overkill. For temp jobs, I stated a time period and said various temp jobs in [area] on behalf of [every temp agency name that I could remember]..
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